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The Atari Computer Enthusists BBS
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Here are the contributors to our MODEMTHON :
Andrew Davies $50 Jeff Maddock $5 Paul Black $40
Gary Spiteri $20 John Loadsman $20 Lucy Sarto $5
Swavek Jabrzemski $20 Paul Black $40 Neil Hunt $5
Jonathon Seally $5 Ashley Sharpe $10 Rod Berry $5
Phillip White $20 Ari Maniatis $5 David Tan $10
Greg Smith $5 Brian Goulding $5 Cathy Tuck $5
Keith Pickering $5 Max Henner $10 Max Kramer $5
Peter T. Smith $10 Danny Drummond $5 Bret Hirshman $10
Alan Lambert $10 R.V. Sankey $5 David Wheeler $10
Gerbert Houska $10 R. J. McCarthy $10 J.G. Newton $
Paul Byrnes $
Total so far: $305
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The following messages are from the Oz Atari Echo, and European
Echo on ACE BBS. - Ed.
Message #6 on 'OZ Atari Echo'
Date : 27 May 91 15:34:16
From : Andrew Davies
To : All
Subj : New arrivals
The following files have been obtained by ACE BBS and will be available for
downloading soon. Those who have made donations to the modemathon will of
course be able to download the file straight away.
UNARJST.LZH this allows you to un-arc the new ARJ type archives (Holland)
STZIP08.LZH The first official release of ZIP for the ST, now you can
create ZIP archives as well as UNZIP em. (France)
DCPOPBAR.LZH Great new utility that give you a popup menu when you use the
Right mouse button. The menu has all the normal desktop
options such as Preferances, close window etc. (US)
Also a demo of the new kaosdesk top (German) plus much much more.
Oh also ACE has started trading with some of our overseas partners, and we
will be sending a 44meg removable disk to holland as a start. So expect to
see many many more new files in the coming months.
Regards Andrew SysOp ACE BBS
--- LED 1.00
* Origin: Quickbbs/ST Support in OZ ~ ACE BBS ~ +61-2-664-1303 (3:712/520.1)
Message #11 on 'OZ Atari Echo' (Rec'd)
Date : 25 May 91 23:00:56
From : Mark Brinkworth
To : Andrew Davies
Subj : Re: Rumours
In a message of <21 May 91 19:05:10>, Andrew Davies (3:712/520) writes:
AD> Have heard a few rumours floating in the corridors of David Jones, It
AD> would appear that they are preparing to re-open the computer
AD> Department (Which is nothing special), however the main brand of
AD> computer is looking like it might be ATARI... So far I've heard that
AD> Market ST and Chatswood are to have the new department, althought I
AD> would also say that Bondi And Bankstown may also be in the list.
AD> The new department is to open before October.
Hopefully something comes to pass of it. Not that it will help us much in
Perth however, (DJ closed down here many many moons ago). Anything that
increases the ST's exposure can only be a good thing.
--- LED 1.00
* Origin: Fatal error: 2 bombs. (3:690/630.45)
Message #34 on 'OZ Atari Echo' (Rec'd, Local)
Date : 04 Jun 91 04:50:02
From : Rob Adams
To : Andrew Davies
Subj : (33) Re: Rumours
>> But what about Darwin???
> Yeah, i've asked about that one as well, but it doesn't look that it'll
> happen for some time. WHat sort of ATARI support does darwin have
> anyway??
> Andrew
Would you beleive I think Im it. well it feels that way but there is an
atari dealer up here not that he really knows a lot.
Oh and Dick Smith is here too. and an ST users group that I am still to
catch up with.
Rob.
--- QuickBBS ST v1.02+
* Origin: Atari User Group, NSW Australia ~ 02-664-1303 (3:712/520)
Message #22 on 'General Chatter' (Local)
Date : 30 Nov 12 23:35:04
From : Swavek Jabrzemski
To : All
Subj : Compuserve
Well, as those who do get around might know by now, Compuserve is here.
But:
Cost: $16/hr on-line cost + $16/hr network time = $32/hr
Plus, you have to have a credit card, otherwise there's an
additional cost of $14/month
Plus, they have speed limits too: 2400 bps is the max
On the bright side, no fee for dowloading.
Also, if you buy a complete membership kit for $60 you'll get $40 worth
of free on-line time;
if you buy some sort of a reduced kit (can't remember what they call it),
you'll also get some free on-line time, but proportinally less.
For details call: 008 025 240
--- ComScan v1.02 TB/ST
* Origin: Quickbbs/ST Support in OZ ~ ACE BBS ~ +61-2-664-1303 (3:712/520)
Message #23 on 'General Chatter' (Local)
Date : 03 Jul 91 10:02:34
From : Bret Hirshman
To : All
Subj : A message from Hutch
G'day all,
Our old friend Hutch (author of the InfoDisk program, for any new ACE
members out there) is about to move again and has asked me to pass on
his new address.
Here's the text of his message:
From: AIDEV::HUTCHINSON "Hutch - 'A MODEL SOLDIER', DLB5-3/B5"
To: GIDDAY::HIRSHMAN
CC:
Subj: My new address
G'day,
Well, the time has come to pull up stakes and move once again.
Massachusetts has been fun but now I've got to go back to work.
The Army has assigned me to the Los Alamos National Laboratory in
New Mexico (about as close to the "outback" as you can get in this
country!). Please pass on my new mailing address to all in ACE-NSW
in the hopes we can keep in touch:
John & Patti Hutchinson
940 Los Pueblos
Los Alamos, NM 87544
Once I get "installed" in the laboratories in August, I will have an
email address as well. It may change, but I believe it will be:
DECWRL::"hutchinson@bellman.lanl.gov"
If anyone from down unda ever gets the chance to visit this part of
the northern hemisphere, we'd love to see ya again. Of course, why
you'd want to come visit me in the desert I'd never know! <grin>
Hutch
--- ComScan v1.02 TB/ST
* Origin: Quickbbs/ST Support in OZ ~ ACE BBS ~ +61-2-664-1303 (3:712/520)
Message #22 on 'They're Committed'
Date : 29 Feb 10 04:20:46
From : Swavek Jabrzemski
To : Greg Smith
Subj : Atari hitting the big time...?
* Originally from Area 'Z3_ATARI'
* Originally to All
* Forwarded by Swavek Jabrzemski on 3:712/520, 26 Jun 91 21:25:04
Following is from the June '91 issue of "Language International - The
magazine for the language professions" (a Dutch/US magazine):
Multiple script computing
Gate Seven Computers Limited, of London, have announced a new release,
"The Language System", an integrated system supporting computing in
multiple scripts.
The system is based on the Atari ST computer. Gate Seven director Mike
Meir explained that they found the Atari more suited than PC compatibles
for their work. "We have concentrated", he said, "on developing a system
which is good for the maximum range of scripts, with the maximum ease of
communication with other systems, and with the greatest possible range of
features at a reasonable price".
Facilities range from a dBase compatible database, through
spreadsheets
to word processing, desktop publishing, graphics and typesetting, with 63
scripts and variants currently supported, and more to be developed. Output
can be to most kinds of printer, from a 9-pin dot matrix to Linotronic
typesetters. DTP and typesetting are based on an advanced Calamus DTP
package, which has a proprietary vector graphic font system which uses the
same drivers for the screen as for the wide range of supported printers.
Word processing systems start at around UK 1,000 pounds, with dot
matrix printer. A 4MByte multilingual DTP system with laser printer is
around UK 3,000 pounds.
--- LED 1.00
* Origin: /|\ - The Missing Link (3:712/520.3)
Message #31 on 'OZ Atari Echo'
Date : 03 Jun 91 12:27:56
From : Swavek Jabrzemski
To : Don Vivian
Subj : (20) Re: hard disk booting
DV> Is it safe to boot up an Atari hard disk by booting up the computer
DV> without a floppy disk in place?
No problem at all, only difference is, it takes a bit longer to boot. In
fact, if you suspect a virus infection on your floppies, that's the only
100% safe way to boot your machine without introducing a virus.
--- LED 1.00
* Origin: /|\ - The Missing Link (3:712/520.3)
Message #37 on 'OZ Atari Echo'
Date : 30 May 91 19:56:27
From : Simon Lindsay
To : Keith Morris
Subj : (26) Re: ATARI BACKUP
I am running the Overscan Modification Keith, what it does is increase the
screen size that can be displayed... well it increases the number of pixels
which can be displayed (both horizontally and vertically) Michael was not
satisfied with it's compatibility, so I now have his installed, ONLY
programs which are 100% GEM compatible work.. ie 1st Word (not plus), and
Word Writer, nearly all accessories seem to work fine, but full screen text
stuff doesn't stand a chance.. Still for my wordprocessing, it makes the
big picture nicer, and the View_Gif program apparently supports it, giving
you a full 640x400 picture within a window ! but as I have a 520, I have
been unable to test it.
Simon
--- TBBS v2.1/NM
* Origin: ADAM, 3,000 MEGS R/W 32 line TBBS call us 08-370-5775 (680/805)
Message #39 on 'OZ Atari Echo'
Date : 31 May 91 01:59:31
From : Michael Smith
To : Keith Morris
Subj : (26) Re: ATARI BACKUP
Hi there keith... welcome to the Adelaide Atari community!
As far as point packages go, I don't (currently) run one - my flatmate is
a Fido Node (680/828)
As for the HD, well, it goes like this: Some time ago, a friend
of mine got very enthused by my atari, and bought his own. being an ex-IBM
person he wanted an HD, so I scrounged the bits (by ordering a spare
Megafile 30 controller from atari, using spare PSU etc) and we put it
together. The Megafile controller will talk to almost ANY RLL ST506 drive -
in this case, an NEC D3142 (not really RLL but what the hey!)
That's it - apart from a box and some cables.
The 'overscan' mod is a simple one-transistor, 2 diode hack, that, with some
additional s/w can increase your screen size by as much as 20% (ie 20% more
pixels on the same screen) - and also put text/etc where the borders used to be
(ie the display area grows larger.)
Fido s/w for the ST : well, really, there is no two ways about it, you need
to get hold of TheBox, LED, and the support programs (which are arriving in
my mail from Gary soon) - TheBox is one of the very best Fido mailers
available, the only real problem I think you will encounter is one of disk
space, as your message base grows _very_ fast :)
(ps the HD cost ~$800 for a 64MB unit)
\`miff`
--- TBBS v2.1/NM
* Origin: ADAM, 3,000 MEGS R/W 32 line TBBS call us 08-370-5775 (680/805)
Message #44 on 'OZ Atari Echo' (Local)
Date : 05 Jun 91 02:15:52
From : Rob Adams
To : All
Subj : bigger screen
Does anyone know of a way I can get rid of this annoyingly LARGE bordere
round the edge of the screen.
I have a 520STfm with TOS 1.2 and Gemdos 0.19
Rob.
--- QuickBBS ST v1.02+
* Origin: Atari User Group, NSW Australia ~ 02-664-1303 (3:712/520)
Message #51 on 'OZ Atari Echo' (Rec'd, Local)
Date : 06 Jun 91 23:27:04
From : Phillip White
To : Rob Adams
Subj : (44) Re: bigger screen
*> Does anyone know of a way I can get rid of this annoyingly LARGE
*> bordere round the edge of the screen.
*>
Oh poor fool! I have been whinging about this to everyone at ACE and Atari
(well almost everybody) since I bought my first ST back in 1988. There are
several options.
1/ Take a screwdriver and frig around with your monitor to enlarge the
screen. (crude but effective)
2/ install the overscan mod so that the number of pixels is increased.
(only for GEM applications)
3/ Wait until Atari folds and get a TT real cheap and make an overscan card
for the VME slot.
4/ Transfer your paint and animation files over to an Amiga for enlargement
Good luck
/|\ fED-UP v1.00 (unregistered)
--- QuickBBS ST v1.02+
* Origin: Atari User Group, NSW Australia ~ 02-664-1303 (3:712/520)
Message #108 on 'OZ Atari Echo' (Rec'd)
Date : 16 Jun 91 00:03:08
From : Scot Art
To : Andrew Davies
Subj : (82) Re: STICK
* In a message originally to Mark Brinkworth, Andrew Davies said:
AD>files are sent as well. (If anyone is interested i'm willing
AD>to set up an ATARI equivalent of the IBMS SDN file network.
AD>(We could also get a connection to the ADN network in
I for one am listening. :-) Sometimes I wonder if a MIDI one wouldn't be
useful, too. Netmail?
ciao
---
* Origin: Open the pod bay doors, Hal. (3:712/634)
Message #113 on 'OZ Atari Echo'
Date : 15 Jun 91 15:59:07
From : Ian Mackereth
To : All
Subj : HD NOISE
Here's a message from USEnet that might prove interesting to those who're
also plagued by hard drive fan noise, as I am!
#150
From : NCOYNE On 08 Jun 91 01:55:01
To : All
Subject : Mega30 Fan
NCOYNE@ESOC.BITNET (?), via *IXgate 3:713/602
Hi heres some info my friend provided on the modifications he made to his
Mega file 30
Atari Megafile Mods.
If you are slowly going deaf from the noise of your Atari
Megafile, the following might help a bit, but be warned it isn't a
super mod: the fan noise doesn't suddenly stop, just gets reduced
a bit .....
The fan mounting, and the outer case of the Megafile severely
restrict the airflow from the fan. If you take the top off the
Megafile (Park the hard-disk first), you'll find that the fan can
be lifted out, and if you run it with free air flow, it doesn't
make much noise. I cut away the metal mount so it didn't obstruct
the airflow, and also cut away the plastic grill in the Megafile
case, and enlarged the resulting hole so that it didn't obstruct
the airflow. I made up a small wire grill which I screwed to the
outside of the case to stop me poking my fingers in by mistake.
I don't recommend using an internal temperature sensor and
turn the fan off until its needed, because unless you use several
distributed sensors, there is a risk of local 'hotspots'
occurring, which are not detected by the sensors. Incidentally,
without a fan at all, the disk drive gets hot after long use. It
may still work, but this has to shorten its life.....
When I bought my Megafile, it was for use with a 1040ST. The
DMA cable as supplied is obviously intended to be used with the
MegaST range, and will not reach the 1040's DMA connector. I took
the risk, and made up a new screened cable about 1 metre long,
which has been working with no problems for about two years now,
with no errors due to noise, fatal predictions from friends, etc.
I also had a second, external floppy drive, but things where
getting a bit like the early Atari ST days, with cables
everywhere, and my desk wasn't big enough. When I took the top off
the Megafile, I found there was enough room inside to hold the
second floppy. (One of the slimline NEC types with a 5V supply). I
removed the small board carrying the LEDS indicating disk
activity, and cut a hole in the front of the Megafile case to
allow the diskdrive to fit closely, then mounted it inside the
bottom of the case with a couple of small metal brackets, and
mounted the LED board between the drive and the edge of the case
with another bracket.
I was able to fit a 15 pin D-type connector at the rear of
the Megafile case, between the power supply switch and the edge of
the case, outside the metal screen, and connect this to the drive
with a short length of screened cable. ( The disk data interface
is standard Shugart ). I know a 15 pin 'D' connector isn't
standard, but who else is going to use my drive with another
computer?. Anyway, this was the only connector I could find with
enough pins that would fit in the space....
The +5V for the drive was tapped from the Megafile internal
supply. If the cover is removed, there are 4 (I think) terminals
towards the front right of the power unit. Two are ground, one is
12V and the other is 5V. ( Use a test meter !!). The Power unit
can easily supply the low current theses slimline drives need.
Mine has been operating OK for two years now.
NICK COYNE
--- *IXgate.
* Origin: NCOYNE@ESOC.BITNET (via IXgate 3:713/602)
Message #14 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 11 Jun 91 00:14:44
From : Magic.Alex Badalic
To : Dariusz Szofer
Subj : (12) Re: Multisync Monitors?
In a message of <06 Jun 91 00:38:00>, Dariusz Szofer (2:281/701) writes:
DS> Nothing else than a multisych will work on a ST simply because
DS> Atari's got a different h-sync and v-sync from the orginal v.g.a.
DS> monitor's. That`s why it's so perfect on a mono monitor (71 Hz) for
DS> your eyes. The multisyc's can match with the colour mode of the ST's
DS> but never (even NEC 3D) the mochrome resolution. On the TT you can
DS> use every v.g.a. monitor you like because it's got the standard
DS> v.g.a. analogue input. I hope this will crash all your dreams about a
DS> cheap monitor for the ST. There's only one solution SM 124 !!!. I'm
DS> not a salesman; I repair those things.
That really is bad news. Still, there is a German company that produces a
multysinc module to be added to SM124, and I even got some scheme of it (I
have never dared to try it myself, though!). Sorry, but right now I don't
remember their name...
Ciao!
/|/|agic /|lex
--- ComScan v1.02 TB/ST
* Origin: ST-WorkShop #1: The Italian Point of vue! (2:331/317.1)
Message #15 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 11 Jun 91 00:19:04
From : Magic.Alex Badalic
To : Dariusz Szofer
Subj : (13) Re: Megafile and RLL drives
In a message of <06 Jun 91 00:49:00>, Dariusz Szofer (2:281/701) writes:
DS> Two drives (RLL or MFM) on a orginal Megafile controller will never
DS> work because the controller was never designed for this; I've tried
DS> everything in the past to make it work, even the second conector on
DS> the controllerboard if you have one. It's all about the DMA number a
DS> drive gets and there's only one DMA number for each controller to
DS> choose from Polish greetings from Holland, Darek
I don't know anything about MEGAFILEs, but I've done it with my SH204, using
the original Atari host adapter and the Adaptec 4000 controller, to which
ST-506 interface I attached two 20 MB Tandon drives as SCSI unit 0, LUN 0
and 1, formatting them with Supra Utilities and it works indeed (I could as
well repalce them by any other ST-506 device).
Ciao!
/|/|agic /|lex
--- ComScan v1.02 TB/ST
* Origin: ST-WorkShop #1: The Italian Point of vue! (2:331/317.1)
Message #16 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 08 Jun 91 15:23:48
From : Eddie Tao
To : Magic.Alex Badalic
Subj : TT GEM 3.01 11
Hi M.A.,
In a message of <03 Jun 91 09:26:02>,Magic.Alex Badalic (2:331/317.1):
MB> Right you are, Eddie! It works perfectly on TTGEM3.01... By the way,
MB> can you, or anybody else tell me anything about it's status? I
If I'm not wrong there's a copyright note under the Desktop Info. And from
what I've heard it's definitely is not PD nor shareware, but a rip off
from the TT desktop, hence pirated.
Though it would be nice if Atari would write an alternative desktop. I
think the existing is one is getting boring. That Gemini and Neodesk
stuff just isn't the right thing for me.
Has Atari Italy's support of the ST changed lately?
Bye, Eddie.
--- LED 1.00
* Origin: Time is always on our side. Dutchman 31-206316873 (2:280/3.9)
Message #31 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 22 May 91 01:08:30
From : Bertrand Petit
To : Johan Bergman
Subj : Re: Asm
In a message of <18 May 91 14:33:42>, Johan Bergman (2:203/406) writes:
JB> I am trying to learn assembler programming. Which book should I spend
JB> my money on? I have Internals and GEM Programmer's Reference but of
JB> course I need a book in assembler programming... I also have AssemPro
You should by and read "C language 2nd edition: ANSI C by Kernighan
& Ritchie". You will find that the C language is verry close to the computer
and much more friendly that asm. The good choice!
Bertrand PETIT
alias
>Elrond le demi-Elfe<
--- LED 1.00
* Origin: Imladris the house of the Elves -- Paris, France (2:320/100.7)
Message #32 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 25 May 91 00:03:40
From : Bertrand Petit
To : Petr Jandik
Subj : Re: TT & SLM605 problems
In a message of <16 May 91 07:23:54>, Petr Jandik (2:420/14.6) writes:
PJ> I have noticed interesting problem: When printing on SLM 605 from a
PJ> TT, is printout OK only when SLM 605 is a _SINGLE_ device hooked on
PJ> ACSI bus. When is there connected more devices, is the printout very
PJ> 'smeared', like you print everything with strong shadow, which
PJ> precedes from left a real print. Do somebody have a similar
PJ> experience? I want to know, if it is a common problem, or a problem
PJ> of this single piece.
This is a common problem. I have noticed that with a SLM804 and a MEGA
ST 4 and 2 MEGA FILE 30. To fix this you must attach your laser printer
directly to the DMA connector:
Connect the SLMC804 controler to the DMA port on the ST/TT plug in
your 50 pins connector of the printer and the smaller connector of the 1st
other dma peripheral to the SLMC and continue the chain on that chanel.
Bertrand PETIT
alias
>Elrond le demi-Elfe<
--- LED 1.00
* Origin: Imladris the house of the Elves -- Paris, France (2:320/100.7)
Message #35 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 30 May 91 03:34:16
From : Bertrand Petit
To : Singh Khanna
Subj : Re: DTP
In a message of <23 May 91 15:55:00>, Singh Khanna (2:243/11) writes:
>>> DTP based on ST/TT/Calamus is cheapest of all possible solutions.
SK>
SK> I think so too, since I already have my ST <grin>. Can Calamus
SK> generate PostScript files at all?
SK>
Calamus can't drive postscript peripheral and can't produce p^poscript
files. I have heard that Calamus SL will be able to do that.
SK> The only PPM I know of is Public Painter/Monochrome! For DTP I
SK> know of Pagestream, Publishing Partner, what PPM are you referring
SK> to?
PPM is Publishing Partner Master, a DTP package whitch can use
postscript but i don't like it. When i use it, it makes me feel i am using
Quark Xpress 3 with his messy user interface.
Bertrand PETIT
alias
>Elrond le demi-Elfe<
--- LED 1.00
* Origin: Imladris the house of the Elves -- Paris, France (2:320/100.7)
Message #44 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 31 Dec 90 10:52:28
From : Swavek Jabrzemski
To : Rene Kint
Subj : (18) Re: Re: FontMongrel!
RK> Mm. lucky we. I recon that Dave Small himself guaranteed Spectre to be
RK> working only with Systems up to 6.0.4. But maybe he hadn't even tried
RK> 6.0.5
RK> My own experience is that system 6.0.7 does NOT work...
Not quite, in fact he guaranteed it to work with everything up to 6.0.7, and
said he was pretty certain it would work with 7.0. Since then he (and many
users) found that 7.0 is no go (but he's working on it right now), but
anything else does work. I've been using 6.0.5 on my system for months and
months, and currently I'm playing with 6.0.7 which seems to work just fine
so far. In a few days I should be able to get my hands on the TryeType INIT
for 6.0.7 to see if that works as well. Do you have Spectre 3.0x, by the
way?
Oh, by the way, the UK keyboard layout provided with Spectre 3 is wrong, I
fixed it for 99.9% compatibility (only the lower /unshifted/ half of one
key, i.e. " ` " doesn't work, since it doesn't appear on any Mac keyboard,
all others work perfect) so if anyone is interested I might even paste it
into this area (it's just a text file, and not excessively long).
--- LED 1.00
* Origin: /|\ - The Missing Link (3:712/520.3)
Message #45 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 31 Dec 90 11:02:52
From : Swavek Jabrzemski
To : Eddie Tao
Subj : Re: Slicctop.
ET> Well, that sounds ok to me. And the whole stuff is available thru
ET> SliccWare Corp in the US? Have you experienced any incompatibilities?
ET> or would you say that it is ok to boot the system always with Slicctop?
Well, so far it's only Slicctop, with a whole bunch of other stuff having
been announced RSN. As for incompatibilities... well, YES, but not
necessarily connected with Slicctop (on bootup my system goes through:
DeskManager, NVDI, OverScan, PoolFix, G+plus, HP ScreenDump, Neoload,
UIS_III, followed by a 450K MultiDesk with quite a few accessories in there,
plus of course MaxiFile, STalker, and Slicctop); in fact I reached a state
where I can't use NeoDesk anymore, unless I disable NVDI and/or a few other
things, which is why I now use Slicctop 95% of the time, and miss NeoDesk
mainly for it's visual appeal (and quite a few other features, in fact).
In fact, if I had to nominate one single item that's caused me the most
problems, it would have to be NVDI (which I need because of OverScan); not
that I'm saying that NVDI is buggy, perhaps it's the other programs that
are at fault, but since then STeno stopped working as an .ACC, thought it
still works fine as a .PRG, and on top of that NVDI has four settings,
which sometimes have to be changed depending on which program you run; but,
it's all my fault (I could be running a plain, out-of-the-box ST, instead
of going to all those excesses).
As long as you are aware of what Slicctop does, and how, and it's
limitations, it's a damn good program. And, as one of its biggest
advantages, even if you decide that you don't like it, for the price you
can easily afford to shelve it and either wait for the future upgrades, or
plain forget all about it (in fact I have shelves and shelves of programs
like that, ordered from the States on the spur of the moment, which I never
even use, just because they were $20-$40; the original NeoDesk was in that
category, until it became 2.04, and then 3.01; and even though I don't use
them, I keep upgrading them all the time, and while some of them don't seem
to change much, some just plain vanish, others turn from ugly ducklings
into real princesses - like NeoDesk, FontKit Plus, PageStream, MaxiFile,
etc. etc.).
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Message #46 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 31 Dec 90 11:27:40
From : Swavek Jabrzemski
To : Eddie Tao
Subj : Re: Mac and stuff.
SJ>> Mac IIsi's and SE's at one of the places I contract to as... a Mac
SJ>> consultant (believe it or not). There are literally zillions of
ET>
ET> And you advice them to switch to Ataris? Anyway the only Mac I like is
ET> the fx.
No, I don't do that anymore. All I do (and will continue doing) is make
people aware of what's out there, and what features/limitations thay have.
The final choice is an individual matter, and I don't really want to sway
anyone either way, as that means they'll be calling me for the next ten or
so years with all sorts of problems.
But, last Sunday I ran a little seminar for the Australian Translators and
Interpreters Association on the use of computers, demonstrating all three
with my one Mega4 (i.e. Atari, Mac and IBM) and three out of the twelve or
participants (I did say _little_ seminar) will be buying Ataris this week.
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Message #60 on 'European Atari Echo'
Date : 17 Jun 91 15:22:34
From : Peter Kocourek
To : Bertrand Petit
Subj : (37) Re: Calamus
In a message of <30 May 91 03:40:38>, Bertrand Petit (2:320/100.7) writes:
BP> Remove the ribbon cartridge, use the little know inside your printer
BP> to puit the head as nearer as possible of the paper and insert a blank
BP> A4 page with a carbon paper. Then printer something. On my Star LC-10
BP> (9 pins) i can get great quality documents with this method.
Yes, but doesn't that damage the pins of your printer? I once heard that the
ink in the ribbon contains a lubricant for the pins. It seems to me like
running your car without any oil... perhaps it'll survive for a short while,
but in the long term, you might get into big trouble.
YHS:QSI!
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